The Archives: The Cost of Violence

In this powerful and difficult conversation, we shine a light on the devastating impact of mass shootings and the lives forever changed in their wake. Beyond the news reports and social media headlines are families, survivors, first responders, and entire communities left to navigate unimaginable loss and trauma.

Our panel discusses the emotional, psychological, and societal effects of these tragedies, the challenges faced by those directly affected, and the importance of fostering meaningful conversations around prevention, support, and healing. This episode is not about politics—it's about people. It's about remembering the victims, understanding the lasting consequences, and exploring how communities can come together in the aftermath of violence.

Content Warning: This episode contains discussions of violence, trauma, loss of life, and the emotional impact of mass casualty events. Listener discretion is advised.

"Because every headline represents a human story that deserves to be heard."

Transcript

SPEAKER_00 0:00

I don't even know what that means.

SPEAKER_02 0:01

What?

SPEAKER_00 0:02

She said death by cake, and I don't know what that means.

SPEAKER_03 0:05

What does that mean?

SPEAKER_00 0:06

I don't know. Like that was the first thing that came out of her mouth.

SPEAKER_03 0:09

The thing that reminds me of is the woman who poisoned her husband for 40 years.

SPEAKER_00 0:14

Oh.

SPEAKER_03 0:15

She played the long game? 40 years. 40 years. She tried poisoning her husband. I think it was like rat poison. She just mixed it into all of his food, like in tiny amounts.

SPEAKER_00 0:26

He became like immune to death.

SPEAKER_03 0:29

He actually built up a resistance to the poison and survived.

SPEAKER_02 0:33

Well, she just started off with such small amounts that eventually he just became immune to it.

SPEAKER_03 0:39

Yeah. And uh, I think uh he actually had a heart attack or something like that, and they found it in his system and they like questioned her about it. And she's like, Yeah, I've been trying to kill him for about 40 years.

SPEAKER_04 0:54

I'm like, what? I've been trying to act like Ted Bundy for about 45 years.

SPEAKER_05 0:59

Give me a cigarette. Um before I introduce our podcast, Kevin. Has anyone told you today that you're beautiful?

SPEAKER_04 1:11

Not today. Okay, well, you're beautiful.

SPEAKER_05 1:14

Anyways, welcome back to the Magdump Podcast where John doesn't know what the fuck he's doing with his hair.

SPEAKER_00 1:21

Holy shit, you're just now telling me?

SPEAKER_02 1:24

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 1:24

We've been here for like 20 minutes, guys? Come on.

SPEAKER_02 1:27

You just did it.

unknown 1:28

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 1:30

Like, I mean, if you want to look like a jackass for the recording.

SPEAKER_02 1:33

How would you not notice?

SPEAKER_00 1:35

I didn't like you can't feel that. It's like little babies. Can't feel little babies.

SPEAKER_02 1:40

Yeah, you should never feel little babies. Correct. That is correct. Do not feel little babies.

SPEAKER_00 1:45

Unless it's your baby.

SPEAKER_06 1:50

Okay. All right. I think we should start over.

SPEAKER_05 1:58

Did we end the recording now? Just fucking chat.

SPEAKER_02 2:00

I know what you meant. The rest of the world's gonna think that you're like a kid fiddler.

SPEAKER_01 2:10

I am Chris Hanson. Take a seat.

SPEAKER_03 2:15

Oh, I know who you are, Christopher.

SPEAKER_01 2:17

No, I know. I know who y'all are, Christopher.

SPEAKER_04 2:21

I wanted you to put some man butt.

SPEAKER_03 2:26

I am I came for you, Mr. Hanson.

SPEAKER_04 2:31

You was man, but if anyone hasn't seen that YouTube video, definitely go look it up. It's a fucking comedy. It's classic.

SPEAKER_02 2:38

Um Chris Hanson's eyes. My hand butt.

SPEAKER_03 2:48

Now we can do this the easy way, or we'll do it the hard way. Oh, I see you tunes in the hard way.

SPEAKER_05 3:01

John, since you've uh been MIA all day, how was your day?

SPEAKER_00 3:04

That was pretty good, very productive day, honestly. Uh we cleaned the entirety of the room. We did both.

SPEAKER_02 3:11

How often do you clean this fucking room, John?

SPEAKER_00 3:13

So, Kevin, I know it's hard to understand because like you won't get your wife pregnant, but maybe I can't get the wife pregnant.

SPEAKER_02 3:21

You ever thought about that, John? You know, there's a lot of people out here in this world.

SPEAKER_00 3:26

It sounds like a you problem. I don't know. Oh.

SPEAKER_02 3:31

I don't know. Maybe it might be a me problem. But two disposable incomes is not my problem.

SPEAKER_00 3:38

So that's true. Um, but no, so that it's dirty all the time because I do have a five-year-old that likes to destroy the room. And I'm too lazy to clean it every day, like you're probably supposed to, but I don't. Um, so it's just been dirty for the past week. And we said, fuck it, today's the day where we're just gonna go get it done. And we fucking went in, bold closets, we got the floor done under the bed, and we threw a bunch of shit away. Or not throw it away. We were donating a bunch of his kid toys away that he doesn't play with anymore, and yeah, very productive. And then we made kebabs.

SPEAKER_02 4:16

But we're just talking about one room still, though, right?

SPEAKER_00 4:18

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 4:21

Just one singular looks like 20 20 by 20 room. No, eight by ten. And eight by ten, so a jail cell. Pretty much. It's small. All day all day.

SPEAKER_00 4:34

It took well, it took about seven hours to do everything. I also cleaned out the computer, I cleaned off my monitors, shelves, you know, like the very summer cleaning. Spring cleaning? Is that the yeah?

SPEAKER_02 4:50

Spring cleaning in August, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 4:51

Yeah. Um so we did that. So now we don't have to do it for like another year or something.

SPEAKER_02 4:58

Smart.

SPEAKER_05 5:01

Kevin, beautiful. Kevin.

SPEAKER_02 5:04

Yeah, man.

SPEAKER_05 5:06

How was your day, beautiful?

SPEAKER_02 5:08

It's uh it's good. Didn't do anything today. Uh help plan out for my wife and I's uh anniversary. How many years will it be? Married six. Nice together almost nine.

SPEAKER_00 5:26

Ooh, almost on double digits. Almost, we're right there.

SPEAKER_02 5:29

Congratulations. Hitting that seven-year itch, you know, on the on the on the wedding. So I'm getting a little antsy, you know.

SPEAKER_00 5:37

What's good though is you can still stand each other a little bit. That's what's that's what's important.

SPEAKER_02 5:41

I think those are yours words, not those are your words, not mine.

SPEAKER_05 5:46

So that's the way that's Evan and his wife have a pretty meshed relationship. I don't think they're having any types of troubles, John.

SPEAKER_02 5:55

No, man, we're actually in that type of relationship where we sit there uh like in the background talking about everybody else's relationships. This is who we are now. Yeah, we're the judgy people sitting in a mall being like people watching.

SPEAKER_00 6:10

People watching. We were never like that.

SPEAKER_03 6:18

Uh, you know, um, my day wasn't bad. Uh did not go golfing as planned. It rained all morning. And uh all the tea times were booked anyway, so it was like, oh well, screw it. We would have had to go probably about 20, 25 miles to get a tea time in the morning. In the rain. So we're like, yeah, screw that. Um decided to go to the mall instead, did some uh birthday shopping for Bailey. Um she picked out a uh upgraded version of my own headphones with the Arctis 7 Pro Plus Um from Steel Series. Yeah. Um those ones. And then um after that we went and finally did what I've been wanting to do for several days and got noodles and companies.

SPEAKER_02 7:10

Oh, noodles and companies. Noodles.

SPEAKER_04 7:13

Noodles and company. Noodles and sex.

SPEAKER_02 7:15

Can I be the one guy to say that I absolutely hate them? Oh yeah, I think their food is disgusting. Personally, fair enough. What did you get there? If you see Mickey and cheese, no problem. Oh Jesus Christ, buttered noodles? Yeah, Zach, you gotta know about Zach. Zach. Zach eats like an old person and a baby.

SPEAKER_00 7:42

Is he like the plain cheeseburger type guy? Oh no.

SPEAKER_02 7:47

So he went to noodles and company. He was so excited to go to Noodles Company for buttered noodles.

SPEAKER_00 7:55

Oh god.

SPEAKER_02 7:56

You know what I like, man? I know what I like.

SPEAKER_00 7:58

You pay full price for that? Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 8:02

Oh.

SPEAKER_00 8:03

Okay.

SPEAKER_02 8:06

Rich, how was your I don't know if Zach was done.

SPEAKER_04 8:10

Oh, he's done.

SPEAKER_02 8:12

I'm gonna call it. I'm calling it.

SPEAKER_05 8:14

I'm glad you finally got your noodles in company, Zach. Because I got it or I got it earlier on in the week and Zach was really wanting it.

SPEAKER_02 8:22

What kind did you get, Rich?

SPEAKER_05 8:24

I got tortellini, but you have to substitute um because they make it with uh I think it's like a pesto red sauce of some sort, but I switched out for Alfredo. Um, I get the roasted meatballs, um, add green onion, mushrooms, spinach, uh, and a bunch of other stuff. And then I got the buffalo um chicken mac and cheese that they have.

SPEAKER_02 8:47

See, this shit always sounds good to me. So I've I've had them three times in my life. Yeah, I went to the same one, okay, each time. And each time was as depressing as the last time. What I did enjoy is not noodles at all there. I don't know if they do them uh those noodles and company, but they're homemade rice krispie treats. They do, they do do them all over the place. Okay, so that's a thing.

SPEAKER_05 9:10

I've had in those at least by location, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 9:12

Those are fucking delicious. Those are some of the best rice krispie treats I ever had. The noodles can go to fuck themselves. I'm okay. I don't need those noodles. I'll come for the rice crispy treats. I've had those instances, like this is body by rice crispy treat.

SPEAKER_05 9:25

Different, um, so like raising canes. I don't know if you have that down there where you're at, or like any. So raising canes out here is great. I've had great experiences out here. They had one in California, stopped by there because I was like, oh, you know, fucking say it has to be the same type of quality of food, right? No, absolutely fucking not. I think it's all based off of location, and it must be.

SPEAKER_03 9:51

I've run into that issue with KFC as well.

SPEAKER_02 9:55

Where KFC is worse down here than it is up north. Oh, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 9:58

Dude, I haven't had KFC in years.

SPEAKER_02 10:00

Dude, I don't fuck with it anymore. I don't even don't want it.

SPEAKER_00 10:03

I hardly I hardly go to Popeyes now.

SPEAKER_05 10:05

But uh Jolly Bee?

SPEAKER_02 10:08

What's uh we don't have those down here? Yeah, hardly good. Jollibees is what no Popeyes right down the road in the shit.

SPEAKER_05 10:16

I know what Jolly Bees is.

SPEAKER_04 10:18

Um Popeyes be slapping down here.

SPEAKER_02 10:19

Popeyes be slapping, they slapping Louisiana chicken. Dude, I'm saying I'm gonna say though, KFC does not fuck. Popeyes fucks down here. 100%. And our raising canes is Zaxxby's. Zaxby's is what's up.

SPEAKER_05 10:34

Zaxby's. I'll have to try it when we uh go down there and I deliver, hand deliver uh Kevin some Lumpia. I actually got uh Lumpia wrappers in today. So yeah, that's how I'm one at a time, one at a time just feed. I want you to look I want you to have it to a mail slot. One at a time. For Christmas, before I get into like what happened today, for Christmas, it's up to you guys. I have the family recipe. My grandma finally sent me the family recipe for uh the sweet and sour. Like she has held fucking like that shit, like top secret clearance, Fort Knox. She will not be able to do that. Really, of all things, the fucking sauce. The sauce because sauce is what she's kept fucking in the secret. She makes it from scratch. Like she has her uh her mom, my great-grandmother, gave her the recipe, and then you know, my great-great grandma would be um get handed down the rest. It's been handed down so many um different generations of the family, and I'd just been like, give me the recipe. I live in Colorado now. It's not like I can just go fucking swing over to your house, you know, right down the street. I need to have this in my life. Like, who's gonna carry it on? She's like, Well, you you're you still need me around for something, so I'll just fucking, you know. So, like, it was like one of those things. But she finally gave me the recipe. I was thinking, you don't have to use it on Lumpia, you can use it on a plethora of things, whatever you want, you know, sweet and sour. But I'm thinking of sending mason jars out for Christmas to everyone, and just fucking you guys can you can set me up for a cool five-gallon bucket, that'd be fantastic.

SPEAKER_02 12:15

I'll take it live.

SPEAKER_05 12:16

I'll make I'll make heaven fucking three while everybody else gets one. So uh, picture of him in a bathtub. He's just like pouring it on him. He's like, yeah, loop yeah. Um, day fucking started out. I woke up, looked at my email like I normally fucking do every day, um, and got approved for my 10-year scope. Nice polygraph went well. 10-year scope is reactivated. I now have a top secret clearance for the next two.

SPEAKER_02 12:50

I don't know what that means. So my scope scope.

SPEAKER_05 12:54

So it's active for 10 years. Um I scope. Oh, I see. Yeah. Um, so when I my last contracting gig, it was only a five-year scope, which at the end of this year it was going to expire. Um, for the new job that I'm getting into, I have to have a top security um clearance in order to work that job, and which I don't understand why we still have to do polygraphs. It's one of my biggest scientific like it's like it pisses me off that we have to do polygraphs, but they asked some very skinny horlies, yeah. Um, but I got approved for it, so I was like, fucking sweet, that's one weight lifted off my uh shoulders, and then Brenna texted me not too long ago. She I guess she's at some MGK concert. It's like it's like we'll have fun, you know? Like she was wanting me to go.

SPEAKER_02 13:50

She was nice. I'm I'm glad that she's gone now. You you did say that you're breaking up with her after that, right?

SPEAKER_04 13:57

No.

SPEAKER_00 13:58

Oh, dude, what are you doing?

SPEAKER_04 13:59

She's allowed to go and have her music. I'll be happy here. Um, we're gonna call that music.

SPEAKER_02 14:05

Would she just out of the blue be like, yeah, I'm going to an MG.

SPEAKER_05 14:08

No, she she she has had these tickets for quite some time. She is an MGK fan. I always talk shit to her saying Eminem ended his career and a bunch of other shit. But you know, hey, she likes what she likes. She doesn't bitch at me for my video games, so she can go play or you know, do whatever happened. Do what now she pla she plays on the Switch, but you know, whatever. Uh but yeah, other than that, played some Tarkov, had to uh batpack, you know, leave no man behind, Zach, and uh the fucking resident blue falcon fucking Marcus. Hashtag blue falcon. Hashtag buddy fucker.

SPEAKER_03 14:47

Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 14:47

Um, which kind of brings us up into a topic today. We really wanted to avoid this one, but um, Tyler.

SPEAKER_02 14:56

I want to avoid every topic.

SPEAKER_05 14:58

Yeah. Especially when they come in this form. Uh, mass shootings in the United States is tonight's topic. Yeah, as uh John says that's how we uh I think it's a collective bargaining of how we all approach these topics this way, and we have to talk about them.

SPEAKER_02 15:15

So that's the way it is.

SPEAKER_04 15:17

Mass shootings.

SPEAKER_01 15:22

Super quiet.

SPEAKER_00 15:23

Let's point out the obvious, right? They're clearly not a good thing for the society.

SPEAKER_01 15:27

No.

SPEAKER_04 15:29

Obviously, John. Obviously, John.

SPEAKER_02 15:34

Claudem. He's alright.

SPEAKER_03 15:36

Obviously. He's just trying to take a dive.

SPEAKER_05 15:45

I can hear this coming through my headphones as it's being projected from Kevin's microphone.

SPEAKER_04 15:51

So I dearly apologize for all our headphone listeners at this point in time.

SPEAKER_05 15:57

Uh we are doing a minion. We're doing a minion theme tonight.

SPEAKER_02 16:03

Sorry. Sorry, we all we all have our respective uh respect.

SPEAKER_05 16:08

Where's your minion at, John? No, he's just down there chilling.

SPEAKER_02 16:15

Before we get into the depressing uh conversation about mass shootings, has anybody seen the new minions movie yet? I haven't realized it. I want to.

SPEAKER_03 16:24

I'm so swear we are into these movies and going.

SPEAKER_02 16:29

Oh yeah. I'm such a fan of things.

SPEAKER_05 16:31

I'll be going on Monday. I'll look up tickets. I'm gonna be going tomorrow.

SPEAKER_02 16:35

Fair enough.

SPEAKER_05 16:37

Wish I could have taken the girls to see it, but that's my dead.

SPEAKER_03 16:44

That confuses me about the minions movies is there's no timeline whatsoever. Like there's no continuity to any of the movies.

SPEAKER_02 16:53

Doesn't need to be.

SPEAKER_04 16:54

No, it's just minions.

SPEAKER_02 16:56

Doesn't need to be. It is what it is. So back to people killing people and shopping balls and stuff.

SPEAKER_04 17:02

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 17:06

So anything specific about mass shootings?

SPEAKER_05 17:09

Nah, just talking, I guess from the email from what it wrote was that when we actually jump into this topic, just talking about you know what I guess what it is, like why it's a fucking problem. Like, I don't fucking know. I guess we just take it how we fucking take it and run with it. Or bad.

SPEAKER_00 17:29

I'm good. No, I could start it off with the with the topic of it.

SPEAKER_04 17:34

Oh fuck you know, whoa, John's taking charge. That's a fucking that's a new one.

SPEAKER_00 17:39

It's kind of a little debate thing here, right? But I feel like it would touch the masses. Was it the person or the gun's fault? That's a that's a debate.

SPEAKER_05 17:53

Well, as uh NRA certified instruction. Hashtag NRA.

SPEAKER_02 18:02

I think I know where his allegiances are gonna go.

SPEAKER_05 18:07

It goes into this whole thing with the gun control debates and all that shit is you know mental health checks. It's the person.

SPEAKER_02 18:18

A gun just doesn't fucking grow legs, walks out one day and decides a video floating around of a little robot with dog legs, and he can fucking fire and he reloads the gun and everything, and he just wherever he decides he wants to go, he just starts shooting shit.

SPEAKER_05 18:41

So that's when judgment day is upon us, when um those people take over, you know, the terminator. Uh, but that's my view on it. You know, it's the it's always the person, it's never the gun. Because it what does it require the gun require in order to be fired? It requires a human fucking pulling the trigger, whether that's man, woman, whatever you identify as. That's just plain and fucking simple. That's my view on it.

SPEAKER_02 19:10

It's the person. And I think you're right, right? I I think that's 100%. It's gotta be the person. Because people could be anything. Could be a knife, could be a hammer, could be this fucking delicious can of liquid death water that I'm drinking, looking for a sponsor.

SPEAKER_05 19:35

Two bears could be could be uh rat poison over a 40 year span, right, Zach?

SPEAKER_02 19:42

That's what it could be. I mean, it could be anything, but there's always one common denominator here, and that is the person behind the action. Always. Every single time, not not ever not. That's the that's the fact. So yeah, it's you gotta put it on the person. You can't put it on the tool. Can't be given life and to inanimate objects. What about you, John? Oh, sorry, Zach, you for a second.

SPEAKER_03 20:14

No, go ahead. Um Go ahead, John.

SPEAKER_00 20:19

Oh, okay. No, I'm I'm an ingredients. I think it is the person. 100%. Like you said, no gun just walks out on the street and decides, hey, today's the day where I'm gonna take all these people's lives. But I would it's hard to talk about it, right? Because you can't just be like, hey, this week, this neighborhood's getting evaluated. You that's not it's not possible. You can't do that. It I'm sure it violates some right somewhere.

SPEAKER_05 20:51

Like a mental health check. Like, no, so the mental health check would start at the purchase of that firearm. That's where it should start. Now that's the legal way to do it. It should be. I mean, fucking just look at all the mass shootings that we have. You know, if we're blaming on the person, they're not gonna go door to door. It's just like all these fucking nuts who go crazy, they're gonna come take my guns, the ATS is gonna come knock my fucking door down. You know, just like when you go and purchase a firearm, there should be like a fucking questionnaire, like a psychological fucking questionnaire that you should have to fucking answer. And then that goes through like an actual psychiatrist, and they can look at that fucking questionnaire and be like, yeah, this motherfucker doesn't need a gun. Like, but the it's never gonna happen.

SPEAKER_00 21:44

If we did it that way, say it was in effect right now, I want to go get one, knowing that I am diagnosed with depression.

SPEAKER_05 21:53

Knowing I don't believe you should be able to own a firearm.

SPEAKER_00 21:57

But that's just now say I really wanted a gun. You're gonna go get it. I can go get one. You know what I mean? Like, so would that force more people to get it illegally?

SPEAKER_05 22:06

Well, that's the that's the debate with that's the debate with gun control right now. So, you know, they want to ban assault weapons. I'm gonna put that in quotations. Assault weapons, ghost guns. Ghost guns should be banned. I mean, you know, those are you know, but the entire thing of you know, a serial number is to register it back to a said person. So if you were to go and commit a shooting and they were able to get your serial number based off the round, you know, there's a lot of forensic science that goes into that shit, how they can track down the exact gun that it was fired out of. But it's I I don't fucking know. This whole stupid gun debate's just fucking stupid. I I fucking hate talking about it because it's the same shit all the fucking time when these topics come up. It's just it's you're like you're fucking talking to a brick fucking wall when it comes to these types of issues.

SPEAKER_03 23:06

We go into the topic of like uh the ballistic forensics, right? Um another question we gotta ask are we gonna require gun manufacturers to produce that ballistic forensics, that initial forensics from each firearm they produce, right? And start databasing it.

SPEAKER_05 23:28

They should. They should because I know uh one manufacturer who test fires their weapons well prior to sending them out, you know, Glock, even though they're the Honda on the Honda of firearms. You get a little baggie and it's a little it's a little placard about like yay big, and it tells you when they tested it, where they tested it, and it certifies that this weapon was ballistic tested prior to shipping out or sent to the the FFA. FFL dealer.

SPEAKER_03 23:58

FFA. Yeah I talk shit on Glock, you know, about them being, you know, plastic firearms essentially, mass produced, etc. But I mean at the end of the day, their company is doing something right. You know, when you look at how successful they are and how reliable their firearms are, they're doing something right. So, I mean, I talk shit on them all the time, but same. It's not like they're a bad company.

SPEAKER_05 24:31

No, I just don't particularly like them. Um, John, but yes, to answer your question, yes, if you wanted to get your gun illegally, that's it goes into that whole gun debate topic of gun control. And yes, you are gonna go and obtain it if you really fucking want it. The bad man, woman, whoever, they really want to do harm and they can't get it legally, they'll get their hands on it somewhere.

SPEAKER_02 24:55

The fact is, is the mass majority of mass shootings are done with illegal guns. Yep. That being said, when you think of mass shootings, not everybody, everybody initially goes to, they're thinking about Uvalde, they're thinking about you know Greenland Park Mall. Greenland Park Mall. They're thinking about these ones that are are making the the the headlines. They're not thinking about the gang-related mass shootings that happen every single day, right? Right. Just because you're hearing about it because it's happening to kids or it's happening in public, this shit's happening in the streets every single day in Chicago, Philadelphia, LA, LA, Detroit, yeah, that all the time, but you're not hearing about these types of crimes. Three, four, five people shot, killed in the middle of the street. That's a mass shooting.

SPEAKER_05 25:50

Quote unquote, all guns were obtained legally. That's usually the fuck, that's usually the fucking you know, kicker on the story.

SPEAKER_02 25:58

These are illegal guns that are being brought through around the streets and fucking wiped off serial numbers and everything like that. That's what's happening. So, yeah, that's not stopping anything. The mass shootings that you hear about are a small percentage of the ones that are actually happening every single single day that we are on this planet in the United States. So, but nobody wants to have that conversation. Nope.

SPEAKER_04 26:27

Not it.

SPEAKER_02 26:27

Nobody wants to have that conversation because they're just they're all about what they see on the news instead of actually what's happening in their neighborhood. Right or around them.

SPEAKER_05 26:36

Yeah, and people who blame the gun, like your question, John. There's in so many of these firearms nowadays, there's so many fucking different safety protocols that you gotta go through to even fire the weapon. You know, because these companies have to go through like Glock, for instance, you know, they have their uh you know, check clear, they have a trigger safety right here. You have to pull that in prior to being able to get to that point where it the striker will hit your bullet and fire the projectile, you know, that you're casing, but it's it's always a gonna be actually a hell of a safety feature. And you know, some of that some even have so some have manual safety, some have this, uh they have a safety right here on the back of the pistol grip itself, along with a trigger safety. My everyday carry, my spring field, only has a trigger safety. Um, it doesn't have a manual safety. I think most 1911s, correct me if I'm wrong, have a manual safety on them to where you can actually put it in safe. You can decock the actual pistol with a lot of like lock, you know, if I'm to rack this, there's no way to unrack it other than me actually pulling that trigger to fire. But, you know, 1911, I can cock back that hammer and put it back into the safe position and not the ready-to-fire position. But it's a debate that, you know, people are gonna keep going around, you know, whether it's the gun, yeah, people are always gonna blame the guns. They're not gonna blame the assholes who fucking go out here and shoot. Like, look at the only fucking you know shooting that I've ever you know been around. Stateside, Vegas. He obtained all his weapons legally and no motive. And when you were down there on the fucking streets, you had no fucking idea if it was it was a shit show. There's a documentary out there if you're interested, go watch it. Believe uh ABC or somebody did the uh I think it was ABC, but they actually did the documentary on it where if you're a ground zero and you were a metro officer that fucking night, you didn't know what the fuck you were getting into. They were calling shooters from the Tropicana, the mandalay, fucking over here, over there. They thought it was a coronated fucking attack because of all the misinformation that is coming through. And I think with these mass shootings, Zach can probably fucking get right on board with this because I'm going and looking at you, youvalde, is communication, clear line of communication in a fucking crisis. That is the first thing you need to establish is a fucking sit rep and a fucking clear line of communication, whether that's with multiple departments, multiple precincts, you know, whoever, whoever is responding to these calls, there needs to be a clear line of communication, not only with law enforcement, the paramedics, the firefighters, any first responder that is there boots on ground and has some type of radio or dispatch. Clear line of communication has to be established. You know, when you're getting all this misinformation, you need to have someone sifting through that bullshit. Get the facts, post it out to your men, because half the time a lot of these shootings could have been stopped well before they got too out of hand. Uvalde, for instance, they sat there what, 67 fucking minutes, 69 minutes, over a fucking hour.

SPEAKER_02 30:10

Yeah, I wasn't a communication issue, though. Like that was all pussy issue, and I'm calling every one of you out. Fuck you.

SPEAKER_05 30:18

That department is I and this is just my personal opinion, people, is a bunch of cowards. Fire 'em all. You know, I have listened to multiple con uh actual podcasts and debates and YouTube videos on this shooting. And it's like I said in a you know a former episode, I think it was one or two episodes ago, where the Border Patrol had no fucking idea that he was fucking armed or there were dead children. The Uvalde Police Department knew that. They fucking heard it. They had to have it. You were on well, yeah, but your boots on fucking ground. I I know damn well you're hearing the fucking screams of these children and these fucking people being murdered, and you're just what, sitting on your hands? Like, it's in fucking news reports, people. I'm not making this shit up. You can fucking go look, you check out the facts your fucking selves, you know. But when those Border Patrol agents went in, and after they subdued that fucking ass wipe, they're like, hey, there's dead kids in here. They were fucking surprised. They were like, what the fuck is this? You know, it's an unfortunate thing, but that goes back, and you know, we already have a huge, huge fucking law enforcement issue here in the United States. The police departments have a very bad fucking rep after what last five, ten fucking years of all the shit that's been fucking going on between fucking between floors in the 90s, you know. Oh yeah, Rodney King before that. You know, but you know, it's bad departments like this that give a bad fucking rep for the actual people who took that oath and were actually there to fucking protect and fucking serve. It's it's just fucking it it's crazy.

SPEAKER_02 32:22

Here's the thing over the last year the Valde Police Department just upgraded as well to level four body armor for everybody on the department. That's good stuff. That's expensive stuff. That's good expensive stuff that they asked for that you, the taxpayer, paid for for them to do nothing. For what? That's what you have to be asking yourself. For what? What did they buy? What did they buy this level four fucking body armor for?

SPEAKER_03 32:50

Level four's gonna I mean you look at the video that we've been talking to, and you can see they have plenty of equipment.

SPEAKER_02 32:58

I mean I'm the issue.

SPEAKER_03 32:59

Yeah. Cops that have gone into shootings with less, gone into houses with firearms with less, you know, and it boils down to you know, the climate in the actual police department itself and people wanting to make a difference and knowing what they took that oath for, essentially. And and Uvalde, apparently, they do not have that code, essentially, that culture to want to push to make a difference, apparently.

SPEAKER_05 33:42

Level four, as Kevin has stated. You as the taxpayers paid for that. For you who are not informed about what level four protects up to, I highly doubt this fucking kid's running armor-piercing fucking rounds. He's probably running fucking 855 or 193 target fucking rounds. That your ceramic level fucking fours that cost fucking 400, I would know, because I have a set of fucking level fours in my closet right now. They are not fucking cheap by any means, people. And how big is that police department? We're not even gonna get into how big their police department is. But for an entire department to just sit there and not do jack fucking shit is another reason, you know, these fucking these mass shootings fucking happened. You know, at least, you know, on boots on ground, Vegas, those motherfuckers Metro was fucking, they were doing shit, but they were out, they were just outclassed. You know, they didn't know what the fuck was going on, and they barely had the manpower. They were calling people in to have come and support because what Vegas to date is the biggest mass shooting as it stands right now, as far as the death toll. You know, we lost 21 souls at fucking Uvalde. Yeah, well, 22 if you want to include the fucking asshole, but I'm not including him in the fucking death toll. But you know, 21 people, 18 injured. Vegas was way higher than that shit. The mall shooting, and and uh as an NRA, you know, I I fucking support the NRA, you know, I am certified through their teachings and their classes and everything like that, but there's always that stipulation, a good guy with a fucking gun. What did that guy at the fucking mall do? He stopped, but you know, I haven't read too much into that particular shooting. Did he not hit an innocent bystander in that mall shooting?

SPEAKER_03 35:48

I don't believe so. Um there's no current charges against him from what I was reading. Um fired some reports say 10, some reports say a dozen rounds. Um and out of that missed two. Um, we're both accounted for from about 40 yards. Um on a moving target.

SPEAKER_02 36:13

Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 36:14

That's why they tell you in your concealed classes to practice with your carry arm at least two to three times a month.

SPEAKER_03 36:23

So the police department that uh of Greenwood park mall area um has officially said that he was lawfully carrying a firearm as well. Uh so there's reports, I guess, that uh the mall itself was a firearm-free place, etc. Um, but the police department is not pursuing any charges, so they're stating he's lawfully carrying honestly.

SPEAKER_00 36:53

I don't care what anybody fucking says. That man saved everybody's life that day.

SPEAKER_02 36:57

He saved so many people. There's so many people that aren't gonna see it that way, Jen. Fucked up, man. Yeah, so um it's a very touchy subject. It's wild.

SPEAKER_04 37:10

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 37:11

No, go ahead, John. Okay. The guy who's getting taken down has malicious intent with a weapon, right? And the guy who killed, I'll just say it, who killed that man with malicious intent. If you see him as the bad guy, we have a fucking problem in this world. I'm sorry.

SPEAKER_05 37:31

Well, they teach you uh in your concealed classes when you actually go. If anyone is interested out there, they will teach you in your concealed classes to I'm pretty sure that's gonna be one of those things that people are bitching him out for is he used one too many rounds. Now in your concealed classes, the instructors I have taught concealed classes before, uh in the handbook it states for you to until unload that magazine until you feel yourself and the others you are trying to protect are safe. What he shot ten rounds, eight on target, two missed. I mean, that's shows you he actually he actually practices with his carry.

SPEAKER_02 38:16

You know, it's oh yeah, you don't do that by shooting once a year. It's to go back really practicing.

SPEAKER_05 38:22

It's to go back into the you know what we've said in previous episodes. Practice, practice, practice. You need to know your firearm. Carrying a fucking gun is not cool. It is a fucking privilege. It's a fucking Call of Duty kids.

SPEAKER_04 38:36

We don't respawn and come back.

SPEAKER_03 38:39

On this topic as well, um the FBI basically did a statistic on active shooter incidents dating back to 2000, and they found that out of 430 incidents, uh just ten cases were brought to an end by a civilian killing the gunman.

SPEAKER_05 39:01

Ten cases out of how many? 430. So that goes and debunks all you fucking a good guy with a fucking gun. We've debunked that in previous episodes. Good guy with a gun's not always gonna do the quote unquote right thing. As some would view it, some other think it's a bad thing. He's a murderer in some other's eyes. I know that uh shooter's families mind. He's a murderer. Yeah, because that's that's one thing, John, with uh you go through who, USAA or U USCCA, Zach? Who's your uh uh provider?

SPEAKER_03 39:45

Uh yeah, USCCA so for my concealed carry insurance.

SPEAKER_05 39:49

He has USCCA, I have Texas Law Shield, um, or US Law Shield as they call themselves, but um in that instance where he's the good guy killing the gunman, that gunman's family can now come after him and bring him up on murder charges. The fucking the police department may not be pursuing fucking charges, but that family can fucking sue him.

SPEAKER_02 40:12

It's fucking worse.

SPEAKER_05 40:13

Or wrongful fucking death.

SPEAKER_02 40:16

You know, Vegas They could say that he wasn't allowed to carry that gun in the mall just like you, the guy who was shooting wasn't able to carry the gun. And they actually have a leg to stand on legally because of that. Even though realistically he did the right thing.

SPEAKER_05 40:32

Bump stocks.

SPEAKER_02 40:33

That's the world we live in.

SPEAKER_05 40:35

That's what happened in Vegas was one fucking guy. Mm-hmm. Yeah with a plethora of he had a goddamn artillery or like an armory in that fucking room of his. The amount of guns that they confiscated from that fucking room.

SPEAKER_03 40:51

Two at basically what made this all popular in um Columbine. Those two kids have an arsenal as well. I mean, they created bombs. Luckily, several of them did not do anything, but that was just a massacre in itself because of how well they were armed and planned and executed their attack. I mean, it's just if people want to do these things, they will.

SPEAKER_05 41:20

Are they mass shooters or are they terrorists? Domestic terrorists?

SPEAKER_03 41:24

I think we should label them as terrorists.

SPEAKER_00 41:27

Oh yeah.

SPEAKER_03 41:28

Both. Absolutely.

SPEAKER_05 41:33

That's that's one of the talks. I mean, that guy fucking uh I don't I fucking forget his name. He had no motive. He had no motive, quote unquote.

SPEAKER_03 41:43

Well, you look at the definition of terrorism too, and it's impossible to say that there's not a political motivation behind this either at this point.

SPEAKER_02 41:53

Oh fuck, dude. Everything's politically driven at this point in time. Yeah. 100%.

SPEAKER_05 42:00

It's it's sad. For the listeners out there, you know, we're not condoning anyone's fucking actions here. It's shitty because we all live in this great nation under you know the same fucking sky. It sucks. Anytime you hear a fucking mashing, and whether you were a part of it or not, it still sucks to have to listen to the shit and what? It's fucking since 2016. Look at that asshole from InfoWars. Isn't he fucking getting sued for like 45 million right now for fucking quote unquote this for the Sandy Hook children were paid actors? Like, shut the fuck up, dude. That is a tragedy. Like, I've never I knew him of the bullshit from InfoWars. I don't fucking pay attention to that news outlet either, but good for good for that family. I hope they get what they fucking deserve in that fucking lawsuit, as well as all the other families that lost someone that fucking day. You know, to say that children were paid actors. That's wrong. It's a little fucked up. A little fucked up.

SPEAKER_02 43:12

If you should use your house right, it's gonna keep happening, man. Oh, yeah. Our houses ain't right.

SPEAKER_05 43:17

Sad. That's what we've had. Sandy Hook, we've had Uvalde. I'm pretty sure I'm missing a lot of different score shootings. Orlando, yeah, the pulse.

SPEAKER_02 43:27

Virginia Tech, the Washington, DC sniper. We can just, I mean, you can just rattle them off. At this point in time, I'm absolutely numb to them. I think a lot of us are. I hear about it and I'm like, oh wow. And then I another one about my day. That honestly.

SPEAKER_00 43:42

Oh, okay. You know what's fucked up? I didn't even think about touching on the topic. My kid's starting on Thursday, starting school. You know how fucked up that is that I have to think about that. Like, that's something as an adult parent I have to think about. Is my kid coming home that day?

SPEAKER_03 44:00

You know, I mean it affects everyone. Um Bailey's got a younger brother who is starting high school, and we were talking yesterday, I believe, about getting a bulletproof backpack for him.

SPEAKER_05 44:15

Yeah. Sister starts high school this month.

SPEAKER_03 44:18

It's insane. I'm in a relatively safe town, but it's still something we have to think about.

SPEAKER_02 44:26

But those are the always ones that have these ones that we hear about on TV. Right. Are the relatively safe to do that?

SPEAKER_00 44:32

It always starts out the same. In this quiet town of yada yada, then it's fucking hell.

SPEAKER_02 44:40

Well, I mean, it's one of the reasons why I'm not even sure if I want to have kids, my wife and I. It's because, like, fuck, like, why would I want to raise my child? Such a fucking point in time. It just doesn't, you know what I'm saying? My wife worries. We, you know, we have season tickets to our local hockey team. You know, when we go to concerts because we're avid, like getting out, going to places with lots of people. Sometimes she gets worried. You know what I'm saying? And why wouldn't he be? You never know anymore. That's the thing. But like you can't let that fear like overwhelm you. You just gotta deal with it as it comes. That's the issue.

SPEAKER_05 45:15

The Rise Agains concert that I just went to. They didn't fucking metal detect you at the fucking gate. They fucking sat there. I mean, I'm going to an event. Obviously, my gun's not on me. I'm going to an event. But that particular venue, they did not metal, like there was no metal detectors. They didn't fucking have wands. They just fucking said, come through. They would look through your bag and they would fucking scan your ticket and you were inside the venue. There was no type of, you know, but how many people were probably armed at that particular venue? Colorado is a one of the biggest fucking concealed. It's very easy to obtain your concealed permit out here, but it's one of those things. It's like you didn't even like if some fucking ass wipe decided that was the day that they were going to do something, he would have got in scaven fucking free. Wouldn't have known it. He wouldn't have done it with a rifle or anything, you know, unless he's fucking putting that shit down his pant leg, but he wasn't fucking checked.

SPEAKER_02 46:19

That brings me up to another topic, because that's the only thing that's even talked about nowadays. And the mass shootings that you guys are hearing about, not the ones that are actually happening all over the United States day in and day out. Most mass shootings, by far, the majority of mass shootings are done with pistols. Well, most gun violence in general. All gun violence, most gun violence in general, yeah. So if you're not thinking that this is an agenda that's being pushed, because it is, I'm not saying they don't have a fucking point. Okay. Because I agree, there is a point to like, what the fuck are we doing anymore with some of this shit? The fact is, though, there is an agenda with these AK-15s that they keep talking about, and like these just fucking crazy assault fucking names that they just it's it's really it's hilarious. It it's sad, but it's hilarious, and it's scary with misinformation that's just being allowed to be thrown out there. But pistols are the actual main killer of gun violence in the United States. But nobody wants to have that conversation either. They just want to go on those, those they're they're all just zoning in on those assault rifles that they can.

SPEAKER_04 47:31

You're gonna pull out your facts, though. That's that's what they want is to pull out the facts.

SPEAKER_05 47:36

I could go, I I'm not gonna you can pull out the facts, but then they're gonna go right back to their fucking broadcast that they saw on Fox fucking news on Monday nights telecasting. What did did the person on TV said to do was an assault rifle? No, it's not.

SPEAKER_02 47:56

I think that would have been a CNN one.

SPEAKER_05 47:58

Oh yeah, who knows? Who knows what fucking you know god stupid these days fucking telecast it would have been, or what fucking provider actually put the bullshit nonsense out there, but it's you know, it's just like one of those fucking things. It's like, really? Really? That's what we're fucking you know, misinformed. Me and Kevin have fucking bleeded this shit into your brains the last couple episodes of being informed, knowing what the fuck you're actually doing and voting for and all this other shit. You people, you people, as Kevin would say, you people are fucking oblivious. Quit letting the stupidity of other people fucking just shape your fucking lives. Because we're in this instance now where Evalde, we have the fucking mall shooting. It's just so many shootings, like John says, he's afraid to send his fucking kids to fucking school. You know, Bailey is afraid for her brother to be going to school. Kevin doesn't know if he wants like I'm fearful of my sister. Here's a fucking fun topic that people have been talking about with all these school shootings. Do you think the teachers should be armed?

SPEAKER_02 49:07

Yes.

SPEAKER_03 49:08

No, no, no, no. I do think there should be more armed security in schools, but it should not be teachers.

SPEAKER_00 49:17

Maybe not, now that I think about it. And we'll get all popular opinions.

SPEAKER_02 49:26

I don't understand how that can be an issue.

SPEAKER_05 49:27

John, why do you think teachers should be armed?

SPEAKER_00 49:31

I think they should be armed only because then at least there's some type of comfort when sending your kid to school, right? Like at my high school, we had cops there all the time, but that wasn't because they were there for our protection. They were there because of gang violence and drugs and you know and stuff like that. Like I knew guys that went to high school that had shotguns in their pants. Like I've seen it. They would pull up their pant leg and they'd have a shotgun, like a sawed off shotgun sticking out of their their socks. Like I've seen it firsthand. Sure. But I I I don't know. I don't know. Because it's also dangerous to put a a teacher with a firearm because one bad apple in a class could piss a teacher off to the point where, you know, you know, there's it'll happen. It'll happen.

SPEAKER_03 50:16

Or oh yeah, go ahead.

SPEAKER_00 50:17

Sorry.

SPEAKER_03 50:18

So yeah, I mean, I'm against it mostly because of we're putting somebody in a position that's not their primary active duty, right? They're there to teach, they should focus on teaching. Um a lot of times these teachers aren't trained, aren't paid, aren't equipped to protect these students in that capacity. You know, and we have people who are across the nation out of work who have been trained, looking at our veteran community who is unemployed. Um these people could be vetted, put in a better position, brought up to the level they need to be to contribute and help society. People who are in a good frame of mind just in a bad position because they've been failed by society. You know?

SPEAKER_05 51:24

Kevin, why don't you think teachers should be armed?

SPEAKER_02 51:28

Uh I mean I'm right on where Zach hit the L on the head. These teachers aren't even fucking paid enough to teach to begin with. Let alone to sit there and fucking have to have their own gun, go through the classes, and then are expected to fucking protect these students in that sense. It's it's just it's it's it's an ask that is not reasonable. Um and then, you know, what say the the students know that the teacher's armed, right? It's in a where where do they keep that gun? Do they keep it on their hip the whole time?

SPEAKER_05 52:06

Concealed.

SPEAKER_02 52:07

Do you they conceal it? Do they keep it in a locked drawer, right? And here's the thing if that student, if there's a student or somebody that comes into the school, so on and so forth, they get in somehow, whatever happens, they know that that teacher has a gun. So, you know, whatever happens, then they just walk up with a teacher and blow their fucking brains out. Well, no more teacher. And how would the teacher even react? You can't react to that.

SPEAKER_04 52:30

Yep.

SPEAKER_02 52:31

It's it's it's not sensical, it's absolutely ignorant, to be honest, but um what about those teachers who already have their concealed permits?

SPEAKER_05 52:42

Do you think we should allow them to bring their concealed into the schools knowing they already have the training?

SPEAKER_00 52:49

My uh history teacher used to bring his gun, he used to clean it in class.

SPEAKER_05 52:53

Well, I would definitely wouldn't brandish it in front of the colour. I'm on both sides of the spectrum on this one. You have two teachers dead in Uvalde in a state that is fucking primarily open carry. Now, if I was a teacher, obviously I would conceal it if I was allowed to. But those teachers all they have to do to defend their students when it's happening is their own fucking lives, and those teachers, bless their fucking hearts, lay down in the line of fire for their students to protect those children. Now, if that teacher had a was armed, if they were a concealed weapons holder, who knows if that would have made a difference? Who knows? It's always gonna be a debate that's up there. But if we're gonna start having armed security, you start having these teachers get some fucking training to pay them more. Do you have how many fucking kids? Nineteen children died that day. Makes me fucking furious because I have two younger sisters who are still in school.

SPEAKER_00 54:13

Those kids didn't fucking do anything either. Like, you know what I mean? Like, is that it was fucking terrible.

SPEAKER_05 54:18

It's one asshole, right? It's one fucking asshole plotting out his fucking terrorist acts against society. It takes one fucking asshole to fucking ruin it for the rest of everybody. And I'm not saying fucking owning guns. Those kids never had the chance to go on and fucking do something more. They're never gonna get that chance. You know, what do the families have to deal with on the aftermath? Now they have to deal with this fucking police department who is fucking the amount of shit that keeps coming out on the daily with that fucking department. I feel horrible for those families. I don't feel any remorse for the fucking law enforcement officers who were down there on fucking scene.

SPEAKER_00 55:03

No, not at all.

SPEAKER_05 55:04

I feel bad for the families who were fucking sitting there trying to run in to save their fucking children when your tax dollars go to you fucking I it's I am a thin blue line supporter, but that type of shit, I cannot condone a fucking department for that. You were paid tax dollars to protect and fucking serve. Turn your fucking badge in.

SPEAKER_02 55:29

Simple as a same tax dollars that would have been given to a teacher to actually pay for their fucking bills is went to a fucking police agency that didn't even do their fucking job to begin with. So yeah, to think about that. That's the thought process. We're talking about a public school, we're talking about your money, we're talking about a police agency that was given all this money for all this equipment and SWAT style, everything, military style, this and that, and that teacher is barely making enough money to fucking feed their own money and get by, and these cocksuckers are standing around with their fucking hands on their dicks. And that's the facts. There you can't disprove it because that's exactly what just happened, because we've all seen it.

SPEAKER_05 56:14

Well, Robert uh Sarge, as many people know, he works for the school district. Dude gets paid very shit. I mean, he he has enough to get by. He has enough to pay his rent, put food on the table for himself, but that wouldn't support a family. You know, he's single, no kids, no nothing. But he barely gets fucking paid. He's not a teacher. He's more he's like one of the monitors. But you know, these monitors and security guards, you know, it's on the on the spectrum of not arming him because one training, as Kevin and Zach have placed out there, training is a huge thing when you are carrying a firearm. It goes back to that mall shooting where he shot eight on a moving target, which is very fucking hard to do if you do not have the training.

SPEAKER_02 57:01

10 is well eight on target.

SPEAKER_05 57:04

Eight on target on a moving target.

SPEAKER_02 57:06

Oh, I thought you said he fired 12. I'm sorry. Yeah. Uh, it's a little mixed. Um either way he hit right eight on eight on target on a moving target.

SPEAKER_05 57:14

That's training that shows you he trains with his firearm.

SPEAKER_02 57:18

Um pistol from 40 yards.

SPEAKER_05 57:20

Him or her, I haven't read into that story too much. Um, but for those teachers who are trained and are knowledgeable and know the safeties behind those things, if you can conceal it, I think you should be able to carry it. You have an SRO officer at most schools.

unknown 57:40

Right.

SPEAKER_05 57:40

Motherfucker, if it's anything like my SRO or when I was in fucking school, that motherfucker's fucking off somewhere. He ain't know where the fucking shit's about to go down.

SPEAKER_03 57:49

You look at Uvalde, yeah, there were several signs leaning up to it. The SROs have done nothing.

SPEAKER_02 57:55

And that's another thing. Fucking lock your goddamn doors. Like, I don't understand this. I don't I don't get it. We we have had all these things, like I know there are schools, you know, people can only come in through the front fucking office door, so on and so forth. Everything else is locked, and this fucking teacher goes out there and leaves a door fucking jimmied open and this cocksucker comes through. Get out of here. Are you serious? Fire immediately. And charges brought up on you for endangering the lives of those fucking kids because you went against what is actually a lockdown policy within uh SOGs and in in general. Fuck you, lock your doors. Why are we not locking doors inside of schoolhouses as well? Like in the rooms. How are these doors not locked?

SPEAKER_05 58:43

Hisperia California. Hisperia, California. It is a high school called Sultana. We went there and played, we had to play against them for baseball. They have a one-way funnel with metal detectors. That should fucking tell you the type of fucking kids that go to that fucking school. Fair enough. It's a very fucking bad school. A lot of shitheads. But in order for us to get to the baseball field, you had to funnel through these metal detectors. Yes, you would fucking set them off because you're using them fucking bats and you know other pieces of fucking equipment for you know, but they have fucking I think it was 10 to 12 foot fucking walls. It looked like a goddamn prison from the outside. And this is before, you know, all these this is when I was still in high school, fucking circa, you know, uh 095.

SPEAKER_02 59:39

Oh, oh, you're a little bit younger.

SPEAKER_05 59:41

Well, the 09s were 09s when, you know, 2009, 2010's when I graduated. But um still back in those times, you know, we didn't have all these mass shootings of like schools getting shot up, Sandy Hook, Uvalde, you know, there's so many different schools we can go off of. Um but that was before all this shit was a thing. We had SWAT and fucking the resident blue falcon can fucking attest to this. But you know, Marcus was there when that whole shit went down. We had SWAT at the fucking school because there was a gang fight. They were gonna start shooting at each other, and you know, we're walking around fucking to our next classes looking up at the fucking roofs, looking at SWAT snipers, looking down at the fucking crowd of kids, just waiting for someone to pop off because it was around the time that it was, you know, alleged that they were gonna fight. Nothing ever fucking happened that day because of the police presence, but that department actually took it fucking seriously. Fucking SWAT, like if they didn't, the SWAT snipers wouldn't be on the fucking roof. And like the Marine Corps logistics base sent over assets with military police, and there were fucking you know APCs out in the front of the fucking school with fucking just an SRT unit sitting in the back of them, waiting. Sometimes the presence is all it takes. Like, you know, for these, like Zach said, for the veterans, yes, I think we should, you know, there there are veterans saying they'll do this shit for free, especially after Sandy Hook. Especially after Sandy Hook. There was an uproar of like, hey, we'll do this shit for free to protect the kids. Like, you don't have to pay me jack fucking shit.

SPEAKER_02 1:01:18

When it comes to the safety of these kids who are vulnerable, everybody in that school is vulnerable. When it comes to the safety, money shouldn't even be considered now, it shouldn't even be a fucking option. But it is. There's so many school districts that are hurting for money, yeah, funding this, and then then their scores are this, and so on and so forth. You know, let's be honest already. We're like fucking 18th in the world in math, we're fucking like 14th in the world in fucking uh science and all the we're we're not fucking doing great.

SPEAKER_05 1:01:55

Across the board, it should be across the board even funding.

SPEAKER_02 1:01:58

Yeah, so we're not we're not doing fucking awesome. Yeah, so you why so we're now we're gonna fund schools that are doing better and then fund the ones that are and not fund the ones that aren't. It just doesn't make any sense. But that money isn't going into that. That money's going into a fucking new football field to returf it. That's going into a new fucking auditorium. We're not going into fucking safety for these kids who are fucking vulnerable. It doesn't make any sense. It doesn't make any sense because somebody's fucking on the back end making money off of all this. That is why it's all money.

SPEAKER_05 1:02:28

With the funding, a school in Detroit, are you think they're getting the same fucking funding as like let's just say Berkeley, Beverly fucking hills, you know, all these niggers.

SPEAKER_02 1:02:38

Yes, if you're in inner city Detroit, no, no, that's the difference.

SPEAKER_05 1:02:42

And and it it shouldn't be like that, right?

SPEAKER_02 1:02:44

And they're fucking people too. Those are fucking kids too. Somebody's fucking children too.

SPEAKER_05 1:02:48

Shouldn't be that way.

SPEAKER_02 1:02:50

And we all deserve the equal education at that fucking level. Equal opportunity at life. Equal education at the public fucking level. We all deserve a fucking equal opportunity, but we don't. That's not the way it works. And it's fucking sad.

SPEAKER_03 1:03:04

Our key really to stopping crime, too, is investing in our youth. You know, I mean, you ask any city police department officer out on the street, he will tell you between the ages of 10 and 16, if you can keep a kid engaged in activities and you know, doing something, you can keep that kid out of jail.

SPEAKER_00 1:03:31

Yep. Sports.

SPEAKER_03 1:03:34

You know, I just activities in general. Anything that will keep them busy will keep them off the streets and then consequently out of jail.

SPEAKER_05 1:03:44

It all goes back to the home too. There's a lot of variables, yeah, a lot of variables. I have coached baseball for many years, and you know, it sucks that I see this kid who is now in jail. Great baseball player, fucking just a phenomenal fucking youth. He had great talent, a shitty fucking upbringing. And what did he fall to? Fell to the fucking streets and went and committed a crime with a firearm at 16 years old. He's now doing 10 to 20 fucking years in a federal prison at the age of 17. We need to invest in the fucking youth people. The school shootings, you know, even the you know, the mall shooting, you know, that's not really a fucking school, but all life you know, in these fucking senses, they all fucking matter. You may not like fucking Bozo, the clown who's fucking chewing with his mouth open in the fucking food court, but what are you fucking your life is not better than his. Hers, whoever the fuck it is, they're living their own shit, mind your own fucking business. I go out into the fucking world so many times where it's like, oh yeah, that fucking guy's annoying. Do I let it get to me? No. There's people who will fucking walk straight up to you because you're chewing with your mouth open and just fucking something snaps in that fucking brain, they go up and shoot him in the face, you never hear about those stories. I've read actually a couple stories when that shit happens every day. Yeah. Where they'll get fucking pissed off, someone snaps, and boom. Gun violence. May not be a mass shooting, but it's part of a gun violence. You're never gonna hear about it though. Doesn't fit the narrative.

SPEAKER_00 1:05:38

It doesn't make anybody money.

SPEAKER_05 1:05:41

The people profiting off these fucking mass shootings, these news outlets, fuck you. You people are fucking pieces of fucking shit. InfoWars. That guy, whatever the fuck his name is, I don't know his fucking name right off the top of my head.

SPEAKER_02 1:05:58

Any of them CNN Fox. Profit MSNBC. All of them.

SPEAKER_05 1:06:03

They take up these big ass stories so they can fucking monetize it, get viewers, get ratings so they can fucking line their pockets. Alex Jones, by the way. Alex Jones. Oh yeah, fuck that.

SPEAKER_02 1:06:17

Thank you. I couldn't remember his name again.

SPEAKER_05 1:06:21

He's fucked. Does you think that motherfucker has 45 million to fucking fork over? Fuck. No, he doesn't.

SPEAKER_02 1:06:26

I'm sure we're gonna get a fucking QAnon or somebody will fucking give him some money. I don't know.

SPEAKER_05 1:06:33

What happens in those cases, right? You know, this guy's getting fucking sued for misinformation. What happens if they fucking come to an agreement of like, yeah, you have to fucking pay said fucking person? Do they just award that family? Here's 45 million. Hey, bitch, you're gonna be paying us the rest of your fucking life. Like, how the fuck does that happen? You know, because obviously some people don't have particular amounts of money when they get fucking sued.

SPEAKER_02 1:06:58

I think homes and assets and stuff like that as well are now leveraged into those types of things.

SPEAKER_05 1:07:05

Yep. It's just fucking sad.

SPEAKER_02 1:07:08

It doesn't matter. The dude's a fucking idiot, and he's actually a nobody, so it doesn't really fucking matter anymore. Yeah, none of that matters. What matters is what's happening in our schools. What that matters is what's happening in our government, and it all goes right back to the fucking same people that you fucking public fucking political. Let's let's for instance, and I know this is a little off topic, but it I had to say something about it today. So I've been on YouTube quite a bit looking up certain things for my motorcycle and blah blah blah. So now the yeah, the the commercials, the the the the advertising for YouTube is starting to like make itself known to that where I live. So it's very resourceful in my area, and I've been seeing so our governor is Governor Brian Kemp in the state of Georgia, and I I like him for the most part. I don't have any issues necessarily with him, so on and so forth. But there's been a lot of um anti because the you know the primaries for for governors coming up soon and so on and so forth. So there's been a lot of lot of attack ads against Brian Kemp. And this last one, I I honestly I couldn't I couldn't believe what I had heard when this came on, and I'm just like, where is the misinformation being able to be thrown around on this? And essentially it said, where was Brian Kemp when the white nationalists took over the Capitol on January 6th, and blah, blah, blah, blah. And I was like, What? I'm like, okay, I'll pump the brakes for a second, right? I'm like, I'm sure some of them were. Okay, fair enough, okay. But and then it just was like, it was pretty much an anti uh Brian Kemp hates anybody of color ad. And I'm like, how are we how is this allowed to be broadcast on here? How is this even okay? Because it's it's false, okay. You're saying every person that was on that whole thing is a white nationalist. Do you do you even understand the ramifications of saying those words? Like that is if that is insane. That is insane that you're allowed to do that with zero repercussions. Get the fuck out of here. I'm not, I'm not a I'm not a fucking up, you know, I'm not, you know, what happened on January 6th, it's you know, I wouldn't have been there. Okay, and I wasn't there. All right. My point is though, is that is some real where you you know, I that's some fucked up information that's been just being thrown around, and then there's a bunch of idiots out there that are like, oh yeah, where was Brian Kemp when those white nationalists were out there? And it was same thing's happening with our guns, same thing's happening with these talks about mass shootings, guys. Ridiculous.

SPEAKER_03 1:10:12

Well, it's just it's constant fear mongering.

SPEAKER_02 1:10:15

Oh man. You know, our fear mongering, let's burn these cocksuckers to the ground. Let's go down and burn every single one of these fuckers to the ground, every single one of them. Can't arrest us all.

SPEAKER_05 1:10:29

Fucking area 51 all over again.

SPEAKER_02 1:10:33

Can't arrest us all. Can't arrest us all. That's what it's gonna come down to. Yeah, 10-15 years from now, you're gonna have a revolution. Fucking Richard's gonna be on a helltop yelling Wolverines, Wolverines, and telling you he's gonna be wearing masks and they're gonna be burning these fucking places to the ground. It's gonna happen. And people are gonna die. There's gonna be a lot of bloodshed. You think it's bad now? Yeah, it's gonna get so much worse before it gets better.

SPEAKER_05 1:11:02

It's the crazy thing you bring up the Wolverine statement. It's but it's not, yeah. No, no, it's it's crazy, but it's also not crazy at the same time. And here's the direction that I'm gonna take it in. Is you know, these mass shootings, you know, these what the fucking purge movies just fucking came out what the last fucking ten years? They were whatever. Um I mean they they're it's good movies, but they're movies. You know, there are actual fucking activists out there who want this shit to fucking be correct a real fucking thing. Like they want the fucking purge. And you know, when you know everyone who has seen both Red Dawns, the original and the remake, you know, we're in a direction now of the current state of the world where mass shootings, war, you know, invasions, you know, are going on. If this comes to a fucking thing, the gun control laws that we have in place, it's really gonna fuck people up bad. Because I'm well off. I'm trained, I know how to fucking fend for myself in guerrilla warfare and be a part of a small tactical unit. John, I am sorry that you do not have said same training. Kevin does not have you know said training. You know, a lot of people's gonna be alright. Okay, play Tarkov. I think I can handle anything. Play Tarkov. Yeah, it's when it comes to down to it, there's gonna be that fucking quote unquote when shit's burning down. You're gonna have those small fucking units who band fucking together. That's why I always joke around and I say, come over to my house. I have a fucking nice little nice little thing back here. We'll all go up to the fucking mountains and watch everybody fucking burn the shit down while we just chill up here singing campfire songs and fucking not worried giving a shit. But Kevin is right, we are not too fucking far from the state of this fucking world where that could be a fucking possibility, where just civil fucking unrest happens, and it's not gonna start in these small towns. Nope. It's gonna start in the major fucking cities. I just so happen to live right next to one. Denver is a major fucking city, LA, San Diego.

SPEAKER_03 1:13:30

What happened in uh was it Portland?

SPEAKER_05 1:13:32

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 1:13:33

Oh, when they took over, yep.

SPEAKER_02 1:13:35

Yeah, I mean you know what a lot of people don't even know about that.

SPEAKER_03 1:13:40

We're there.

SPEAKER_02 1:13:41

There's so many people that have no idea what actually happened in Seattle. Oh, Seattle, by the way.

SPEAKER_03 1:13:48

Uh I believe there was more than one city.

SPEAKER_02 1:13:51

Seattle was the big one, though. Like it was the big one where they took over so many blocks and blocks and blocks of territory. Um yeah, people don't even know about it. During the whole riots and stuff like that, after the George Floyd thing, uh people in these cities in the Northwest, we'll say, we'll just say the Northwest were taking over and not allowing people in or out of these communities. And the people that were living in these fucking city areas weren't allowed in or out. They wouldn't allow police in, they wouldn't allow medical services in to help other people. Uh it was fucking insane. It was complete anarchy.

SPEAKER_05 1:14:35

And we're not too far away from that happening across every major city. Just take the Capitol, for instance. The white nationalists. Those white nationalists? Yeah. Take that, for instance. You had a fucking quote unquote, you know, as they I I still believe, and this is just my opinion on it. That was a terrorist attack, a domestic terrorist attack against our own government. Fuck all the politics that went behind it, right? But that was a terrorist attack against the nation's capital by white nationalists. That's not too far from like what Kevin is saying of that happening in major cities, Portland, Seattle. You know, people are gonna come in here, they're gonna fucking block off shit, and you know, these police who have been defunded, who have been fucking thrown to the side, you know, Evalde is fucking apparently not one of them because they got all the shit that they got.

SPEAKER_02 1:15:34

Plenty of funding, no balls.

SPEAKER_05 1:15:36

Look at these other departments. Uh low funding. You think when shit hits the fucking fan they're gonna give a fuck about their pension? They're gonna fucking lay down their badge and walk the fucking other way. They're like, you guys fucking deal with it yourselves. We're in that state of fucking society right now where we're so busy uh this fucking bad egg did this, this bad egg did that. Fuck police. Fuck these guys, you know, George Floyd, that was an unfortunate event. Evalde, an unfortunate event. Vegas, an unfortunate event. You know, Sandy Hook, very unfortunate. We can keep going down the list of mass shootings that are happening in this country, but why are we punishing the people who are trying to defend us? Or trying to punish. I think I read a couple things on that Evalde shit where they're fucking going in after the fucking parents or going in after, you know, the two teachers that gave their fucking lives stating they could have done more. Pretty sure there's particular things they could have done more, but they laid their fucking lives down for those fucking kids. They're not here anymore. Shit, you had a fucking cop on that force. And correct me if I'm wrong, people, who had a fucking significant other who was in the fucking facility as a school teacher and was just texting away. I'm sorry, but Kevin, if your wife was in fucking danger, are you gonna sit there and text her? Hey, is everything okay? Or are you gonna go in there and try to fucking save her?

SPEAKER_02 1:17:13

Well, the one thing I can tell you, if if that was a if I was in that situation, then I would have been another fatality because those cops would have had to fucking kill me. They would have had to kill me to stop me. And that'd have been the only person that they fucking took down that day, unfortunately.

SPEAKER_00 1:17:34

So I'm in ingredients with that.

SPEAKER_05 1:17:38

Zach Bailey was in trouble. Would you fucking just sit there and follow orders or would you fucking defy those orders?

SPEAKER_03 1:17:44

I have on several occasions already had to pick up everything and move quick because I thought Bailey was in danger.

SPEAKER_04 1:17:56

Defy fucking orders, people, it's common fucking sense.

SPEAKER_05 1:17:59

Dude, I just protect human protect human fucking life. You know, fuck your orders. Yeah, what are you gonna get a slap on the fucking wrist when you get back? You're gonna get a fucking suspension or fucking fired. It's big what can you live with your fucking moral compass knowing that you could have made a difference, but yet you just sat idly and waited until fucking border patrol came in. Three, how many people are on this department? Can someone do a Google search for me? Because I really want to make a fucking point. How many fucking people are on this police force?

SPEAKER_02 1:18:32

Can I tell you one thing right now? Yeah, you're gonna hear about some of these cops killing themselves here within the next few years. Because they're not gonna they're not gonna be able to live with what happened, especially with all the shit storm that's gonna come on down and someone's gonna kill themselves. One or two.

SPEAKER_05 1:18:49

It's an unfortunate event that meant the the mental health is gonna come in there where you know we have those instances. It sucks because I don't condone suicide. It sucks.

SPEAKER_02 1:19:00

No, of course not.

SPEAKER_05 1:19:01

You know, uh that taking that route out. I don't think anybody should ever have to be put in that position. But what Kevin says is right, people are going to have that. Zach, you have a number?

SPEAKER_03 1:19:12

39 police officers.

SPEAKER_05 1:19:13

39 out of 39, and that was there on that day on the scene?

SPEAKER_03 1:19:19

No, quote unquote.

SPEAKER_05 1:19:21

That's just in their department. Okay, so 39 fucking people.

SPEAKER_03 1:19:25

Realistically, you're looking at six shifts um to split that pretty much evenly. I mean, your day shifts are probably gonna be stacked a little bit happy.

SPEAKER_05 1:19:36

Multiple things they probably called in.

SPEAKER_02 1:19:38

They called in. I was gonna say multiple agencies, sheriff's department, so on and so forth. So, I mean, there's a lot going on at that point in time.

SPEAKER_05 1:19:46

We're gonna say there's over 30 officers. Is that is that is that a fucking safe assumption? There was more than 30.

SPEAKER_03 1:19:53

A minimum of half a dozen just on that shift that would have been actively working when it started. So minimum of half a dozen.

SPEAKER_05 1:20:03

Three. I'm gonna I'm gonna say over thirty with the multiple agencies that were there. I think that's a fair assumption. Someone can fact check me and cancel me. I don't care. But three brave fucking Border Patrol agents went in there with no fucking sit rep, no fucking communication, no information other than to go take the asshole down who was fucking killing kids and teachers. Three.

SPEAKER_03 1:20:30

And I know for a fact from the video that I was watching, there's more than half a dozen people that were standing in the hallway.

SPEAKER_05 1:20:37

Three. Three individuals, one with a ballistic shield, and they fucking went in there and took that asshole out, and then come to their fucking surprise, because we didn't fucking establish a clear line of communication, there's just they they walk into a fucking massacre. You don't think that's gonna fuck them up for the rest of their fucking lives? Like no matter what, even if they had the information, seeing that firsthand is gonna fuck your psyche up. It's gonna fuck with you mentally. That's some shit you can't fucking unsee. But at least at myself, if I was a fucking officer in that line of duty, I would like some fucking information before walking into a room full of fucking dead kids. Yeah. It's a fucking shitty feeling as a fucking cop to wake up that day, and I guarantee you they woke up that morning, put on that fucking uniform. They didn't know they were gonna be on that fucking call that day. They're just going, hey, we're gonna go watch the fucking the border. Another fucking day at the office, we're just gonna sit here for fucking ten hours and not do shit, uh, check a couple people as they come across or whatever, or go do my normal patrol down my gate sector and whatever the fuck they do. Guarantee they did not wake up that morning thinking they're gonna see 19 kids in a classroom. Lifeless. Because one asshole decided that he was gonna wake up that day, bring a bunch of fucking guns to school, and we'll get into it, you know, on a bonus episode with the Zach's theories of uh the arsenal that this fucking kid had. But just the arsenal, and how old was this fucking kid? 17?

SPEAKER_03 1:22:23

Uh he had just turned 18.

SPEAKER_05 1:22:25

Just turned 18 with the fucking plethora of weapons that he had.

SPEAKER_03 1:22:29

Mind you, we're looking at an 18-year-old freshman, I believe, from what I was reading as well. So he was stupid besides us?

SPEAKER_02 1:22:41

He was failed by the system, from what I'm reading. At that point in time, an 18-year-old freshman shouldn't even be a thing.

SPEAKER_00 1:22:49

No.

SPEAKER_05 1:22:49

No.

SPEAKER_00 1:22:50

I should have kicked him out.

SPEAKER_05 1:22:52

No, it's Billy Madison. They're doing the he can he can pass the grades and shit. That's that's what they were going for was the Billy Madison. Sorry, Daddy. Yeah, sorry. Stop looking at me, Schwan! Stop looking at me, Schwan.

SPEAKER_06 1:23:05

Fucking magazine day.

SPEAKER_05 1:23:08

Yeah. I I don't remember his name and I should because I was there. The fucking guy who you know who Vegas, how many fucking cameras are in Vegas? You go to every fucking casino, there's hundreds of fucking cameras everywhere in fucking hotels. I'm sorry. Nobody fucking noticed this guy just putting fucking bags loads of fucking shit into a fucking hotel. Steven Paddock. Steven Paddock. You know, obviously, when you check in if anyone's been to Vegas, I'm pretty sure all of us have at one point in time to Vegas. Atlantic City. No, you haven't. I've been going to Jersey for that. But you've been you've you've been to Florida. I know you've been to Florida.

SPEAKER_02 1:24:05

I've been to places where there's plenty of cameras, including jail, so I get it.

SPEAKER_05 1:24:12

Yes, the guy called out as a felon last week on a fucking I'm gonna keep sticking it to Porter, you fucking ass white, but um is what it is. You go, you check in at a hotel, just any hotel, but in these instances where there's way more fucking cameras, obviously you can go pull the car around somewhere else, and you can come in through a back door. You're telling me there's not one fucking cleaning lady, not one fucking person who was just seeing this motherfucker drag all this shit up. I know there's cameras on the elevators, cameras on this, cameras on that, but it's fucking it's a shitty instance where I don't think that one could have been avoided. I don't think he obtained all his weapons legally. And that's the fucking that's the crazy part.

SPEAKER_02 1:24:57

We just have no idea why. Like the wise anyways.

SPEAKER_05 1:25:01

There was no motive. He didn't leave a note, he fucking took the easy way out because he knew fucking law enforcement and metro was fucking closing in. Just shitty, because how many lives did we lose that night?

SPEAKER_03 1:25:15

Uh sixty killed, uh four hundred and thirteen wounded. So crazy.

SPEAKER_05 1:25:20

And over the time span that he was shooting, multiple hundred rounds were dispersed. You want to know what everyone was thinking on the fucking ground when it was going on that it was all a part of the show. That there were fireworks, it was firecrackers until you saw people until you saw people start fucking falling. People were trampling one another, people were jumping over fucking walls. It was like a fucking war zone down there.

SPEAKER_03 1:25:49

You look at the actual injury total from non-gun inflicted wounds, and it goes up to 867.

SPEAKER_05 1:25:57

Because people were feared for their fucking life.

SPEAKER_02 1:26:01

It's like shooting fish in a barrel.

SPEAKER_05 1:26:04

In which he he he had them all in the fucking in a funnel. He knew all the concert goers were gonna be right where the fuck they were. And it sucks for the people who fortunately lost their lives. Sandy Hook, another fucking school shooting. You know, we go to that the mall shooting in Philly. What just happened in Philly recently? Wasn't that an AR? An assault rifle fucking type shooting, or was that with a pistol? It was a pistol, it was a gang-related shooting. That was another one that just made fucking headlines. 15 was the death toll on that. What was the most recent one that was at a fucking uh I don't know if it was a mass shooting, it was at one of those concerts, it was like during the fucking day, broad fucking daylight.

SPEAKER_03 1:26:52

So about that, it was Lollapalooza.

SPEAKER_05 1:26:56

There we go.

SPEAKER_03 1:26:57

Um, and it was actually a mass shooting fake.

unknown 1:27:02

Wow.

SPEAKER_03 1:27:02

Um, so I looked early. Uh where was Lollapalooza this year?

SPEAKER_02 1:27:10

Should have been in Chicago.

SPEAKER_03 1:27:10

Should have been in Chicago, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 1:27:12

That's it's always in Chicago.

SPEAKER_03 1:27:13

Lollapalooza security guard um made a false terrorist threat um by creating a fake Facebook account, I believe. Um, which she then took a picture of and sent to her supervisor, um, basically stating that the person had 150 targets at Lollapluoza at 4 p.m. Um she claimed that her motive in her confession was that she wanted to get off work early. Wow, Jesus Christ.

SPEAKER_05 1:27:45

So you fake a piece of shit.

SPEAKER_03 1:27:48

You fake a terrorist threat because you want to get off early.

SPEAKER_05 1:27:51

Piece of shit.

SPEAKER_03 1:27:54

Good news is you'll be off for a long time.

unknown 1:27:56

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 1:27:57

I don't think that's gonna be an issue.

SPEAKER_05 1:28:00

Permanent vacation. San Bernardino. That's what happened. Uh California. Caused the uh magazine, man. The San Bernardino shooting with the AKs. Yeah, that was well before.

SPEAKER_02 1:28:13

That was when we still had the ability to have fully automatic weapons.

SPEAKER_05 1:28:16

Yeah, fully automatic weapons. Yeah, the 90s.

SPEAKER_02 1:28:19

These cops were out there with barely any body armor and fucking nine millimeter pistols fucking trying to take these guys out. Bitcock suckers with fucking level four body armor and fucking military style weapons. We'll just I'll just get on the bandwagon. Fuck it. And you guys can't even fucking do it. Get the fuck out of here. Military style. Just get the fuck out of here.

SPEAKER_05 1:28:42

99. Woodstock. Does anybody know what does anybody know what they were actually having the concert for? John, do you know? I know you're talking to your kid, but do you?

SPEAKER_00 1:28:55

Uh no. The only thing I know about Woodstock is it was a fucking shit show?

SPEAKER_02 1:29:01

No, wrong, wrong Woodstock, yeah, wrong year.

SPEAKER_05 1:29:05

Yeah. 99. 1999 Woodstock. It's a fucking shit show. But the reason they had it, you know, was just like the original Woodstock. You know, they were going against the Vietnam War, you know, all the you know, the flower power and you know, all that stuff. It was against fucking gun like anti-gun violence. You know, because back in the 90s, they were trying to ban fucking, you know, yeah, peace. Assault rifles that were actually assault rifles, fully automatic weapons, and yet, you know, then you had the San Bernardino fucking shooting where it's AKs fucking cops against fucking AKs.

SPEAKER_00 1:29:43

And quick question. Correct me if I'm wrong. The San Bernardino thing is the guys who literally walked down the street, right? Yeah, 30 rounds.

SPEAKER_03 1:29:52

30 round bags in the rampage.

SPEAKER_00 1:29:55

Yeah. Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 1:29:56

It was inspired by that shooting.

SPEAKER_00 1:29:58

Oh fuck. That was a good movie, though.

SPEAKER_06 1:30:04

I mean okay.

SPEAKER_05 1:30:07

B-less movie, but great movie. John wants to John wants to get canceled. Bad movie.

SPEAKER_02 1:30:16

Terrible acting. It was so bad.

SPEAKER_05 1:30:18

Yeah. What is it like?

SPEAKER_02 1:30:20

The uh me and Kevin watching the footage was better than watching that movie.

SPEAKER_05 1:30:25

Me and Kevin would understand this reference. You know, he says bad acting. Is it as bad as the acting of the original Resident Evil's?

SPEAKER_04 1:30:33

You're gonna become a Jill Sandwich.

SPEAKER_05 1:30:38

The acting and voice acting right there. I mean, is it up to the bottom?

SPEAKER_02 1:30:45

Oh my god.

SPEAKER_00 1:30:46

We might get canceled from that line alone.

SPEAKER_05 1:30:49

Jill Sandwich. They said it, not me. Capcom did it. Cancel them. They're the ones who made the fucking video game.

SPEAKER_02 1:30:57

No, not before, not before they're done bringing out Resident Evil 4 remake. Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_05 1:31:02

They gotta do that. And then they gotta bring out Resident Evil 9. But uh just it's a shitty part in our fucking culture that we have to deal with. You know, how many fucking mass shootings do we have a day and how many mass shootings actually make the fucking headlines?

SPEAKER_01 1:31:15

That's the issue.

SPEAKER_05 1:31:17

Gun violence, whether it's a mass shooting or not, gun violence is a fucking terrible thing. Sucks.

SPEAKER_02 1:31:29

How about that? How about violence is a terrible thing? Cause, you know, what you know what wasn't classified as a mass shooting? Are those people that take their cars and charge them into a fucking crowd of people? That's not considered a mass shooting.

SPEAKER_00 1:31:44

They were doing that show during the riots, right?

SPEAKER_02 1:31:47

They were doing it before that, they were doing it during the riots, they were doing it after. We're talking about people that are legitimately like legitimately taking their car 60, 70 miles an hour and running it down a fucking sidewalk.

SPEAKER_04 1:31:57

And just fucking plowing.

SPEAKER_02 1:31:59

They're just plowing people over, right? But but that's a mass killing. Yeah. But that doesn't go under the narrative of what they're looking for, and that's the issue.

unknown 1:32:09

Right?

SPEAKER_02 1:32:11

You can easily take a car 70 miles an hour and run it down fucking New York City during fucking rush hour down the fucking sidewalk and kill fucking 100 people. You can do that.

SPEAKER_05 1:32:20

Uh this just in the house band uh the Dodge Challenger. Um it is an assault is it an assault vehicle?

SPEAKER_02 1:32:28

Or they went after the wrong car, so they went after the fucking assault rifle. But it's actually the Ford Mustang.

SPEAKER_05 1:32:34

They should have gone after the Mustang instead of the fucking the original crowd killers. The same shit, man. The Ford fucking Rangers.

SPEAKER_03 1:32:47

My fucking Ford Ranger.

SPEAKER_05 1:32:48

My fucking forward fucking ranger. All right.

SPEAKER_02 1:32:53

This is uh I'm done with this conversation.

SPEAKER_04 1:32:57

This is why we try to avoid these types of things.

SPEAKER_02 1:33:00

You want to know what the answer is with one of the things, it's a mental health issue, right? So just like we don't invest time into our students, right? We don't invest time into our kids and into our future, we don't invest time and money into our own mental health and into um the clinics and therapists and social workers to help the people that need help. And it's just a revolving cycle. And the fact is, is that stuff is hereditary. So when you're not helping somebody else, they have kids, they're not getting the same help, and it's just a cycle that just keeps repeating and passed down from generation to generation to generation. And now all of a sudden you got fucking little Billy Bob walking into a fucking uh schoolhouse, and now they're killing your kids. Fuck you. That's it's it's it's it you fucking you want to blame somebody, blame our government. Stop blaming fucking other people, stop blaming gun manufacturers, blame our government, and blame whoever voted these people in and who continues to keep these people in. I'm done. I'm done for the night. Thank you. My fucking cheeks are starting to become flush.

SPEAKER_05 1:34:10

Mic drop. Zach, final thoughts.

SPEAKER_03 1:34:14

I mean because Kevin uh when we look at what's wrong, you know, Kevin hits the nail on the head. It's it's a mental health issue. You know, and if we look at ways to prevent it, we gotta look at utilizing the people that we have, investing in our youth, absolutely, and just trying to promote overall safety where we can control it. You know, because the legislation, the laws aren't gonna stop people from breaking other laws. Yeah. We we gotta have boots on the ground for this to put an end to it. It's John.

SPEAKER_00 1:35:05

Fucking Kevin, dude. For you audio listeners, he is red as a fucking peach right now. You should see it. He's you can feel the anger. But my final thoughts, wow. Um, so fuck, man. Greed is one of the deadliest sins. In my opinion, it is the worst thing to humankind. When are we gonna stop putting people second? People need to come first. Fuck the money. I mean, for fuck's sake, kids are dying. Get it the fuck together. Kids die, we have no one else on the world. You greedy fucks. Fuck you. I'm done.

SPEAKER_04 1:35:59

Pretty big topic to get uh where's the where's the cup? Oh Kevin does probably doesn't have it around him. Fired up.

SPEAKER_03 1:36:06

Fired up.

SPEAKER_04 1:36:07

He's looking around working, he's like, no, it ain't around here. I do have Jeff Goldblum though.

SPEAKER_02 1:36:14

Life will uh find a way. Fuck you, Jeff. Fired up.

SPEAKER_05 1:36:20

Um just fucking sad tax dollars, government, inequality. It all boils down to what these fellows are saying. It's uh it's unfortunate, you know, knowing these mass shootings are going on, knowing that kids are dying, pe innocent people, innocent lives are being taken. Safety should be our number one fucking priority. Fuck the presidency, fuck your goddamn whatever stupid little politics you want to get into, debate. Does your fucking red or blue defend these fucking kids at the end of the day for going home back to their fucking families? For Stacy and her fucking one kid, single mom just going out to the mall to go to probably do a fucking build-a-bear workshop to get fucking gunned down. You know, we need you know the answer is not oh the fuck as John brought it up earlier, the gun, the gun, the gun. It's fucking assholes in this fucking world. It's assholes, it's people not doing their fucking jobs, it's people being underfunded, and it's not at any fault to their own. It's they're fucking working with, as Kevin has stated, with what they fucking got. You know, two teachers, you know, we uh as the Uvalde, they laid down their lives. Those are fucking heroes, those are the real heroes, other than the three Border Patrol agents of that day, who gave their lives trying to protect their students You know, for the countless, the the guy who in concealed carry holder who decided to make a decision that hey, we're not gonna make a statistic here. I'm not gonna be a statistic, neither are the rest of these fucking people. Went out, bunch of fucking strangers, saved their fucking lives, put eight fucking shots on target. Schools need to be funded, teachers need to be trained, policies need to be fucking changed.

SPEAKER_02 1:38:30

They need to be fucking followed.

SPEAKER_05 1:38:32

The world needs a fucking reset. Lockdown procedures as, you know, I don't claim to be a father, but I am basically a father to two young girls who are going into high school. And me. I've thought of shut the fuck up, John. I have thought, you know, Zach made a very it it hit me because I was thinking while they were here. There's a lot of batpack companies now, and they sell them at fucking target people. At fucking target. Ballistic fucking bat packs. Your fucking youth does not need a bulletproof fucking bat pack to go get an education.

SPEAKER_03 1:39:17

Or they shouldn't.

SPEAKER_05 1:39:19

Like that that is their safe uh space, so to speak, right? I think we can all relate when we're going to school as a fucking kid, and that's all we wanted to do is go fucking see our friends, go have fun at recess, do whatever, not have to be confined to doing fucking chores or wiping the fucking toilet down, whatever. It's these kids' safe place, as Kevin says, they're vulnerable. We as a society are too worried about the fucking views, the clout, the fucking money that we're gonna obtain from all these fucking stories. You know, I see newscasters, and this is why I don't watch the fucking news, where they're not even showing any type of fucking emotion. Other than like, oh yeah, there was like five uh mass shootings today. Yeah. Um in other fucking news, Billy Bob fucking ran over his dog. They go right off to the fucking next thing. You did it for fuck you, these people. Alec was his name, Alex Fucking Jones. Good for you, you piece of shit. I'm glad you're getting fucking sued for 45 fucking million for misinformation. Dead kids aren't fucking paid actors. That's a fucking terrible joke. What did what it fucking it wasn't a joke to him? He was spreading that shit as a fucking conspiracy fucking thing because we're not even gonna jump into that. But at the end of the fucking day, keep people fucking profiting off these shootings when life is fucking being taken, you're pieces of shit, and I hope you know that. I don't fucking care if you come at me, don't give a shit. You are a piece of fucking shit. Because at the end of the day, all life matters. I don't give a fuck if you're purple, brown, green, black, white, Asian, Hispanic, fucking whatever you what whatever flock of life you come from, you still deserve a chance, just like the fucking next guy. You don't deserve to fucking go out in this society that we live in today, and have your life fucking infringed on and being taken from s one asshole. One, two, however many. Quit fucking profiting off this shit. Actually make a fucking change, people. Call your senators, call your fucking whoever, as me and Kevin have told you before. As well as Zach. The uninformed voters next to me. He's right there. This this is John. But in all seriousness, it needs to fucking stop. Tupac. It's like fucking make a change.

SPEAKER_06 1:41:58

I knew where Kevin was going with that.

SPEAKER_05 1:42:00

I knew where fuck once he said Tupac, I knew where he's going. But there needs to be a change. We need to fucking do something as a society because if not, it's gonna be a fucking anarchy. And we're not too far away from that. The Capitol was just the fucking start. You think people are gonna fucking stop there? Fuck no. Like John said, greed. People in this world just don't know how to fucking stop. Can't make them. They're gonna do what the fuck they want. It's unfortunate with all these mass shootings, this won't be the last one. Definitely won't be. It's a shitty situation every time it comes up, but we're not gonna talk about it every time it comes up because I fucking hate talking about especially when kids are in the process.

SPEAKER_02 1:42:45

We've set our piece.

SPEAKER_05 1:42:47

We've set our piece on this. We're done, Caverine. We might talk about it as a fucking group without fucking recording it, but this is just a sensitive topic when kids are in the limelight of the subject because John has a younger kid, I have two younger sisters. Bailey has a uh younger brother. I'm pretty sure Kevin and Erica. No.

SPEAKER_02 1:43:14

I have lots of nieces and nephews.

SPEAKER_05 1:43:17

Plenty of people with kids and that are gonna be in this not just kids, you know, adults too. We're not just gonna single, you know, out, but the kids matter. This is our future that we're putting in the hands of these kids just to get taken away from some asshole. But other than that, you can find us at YouTube to see Kevin's beautiful rosy cheeks over at the Magdump Podcast on YouTube.

SPEAKER_02 1:43:43

I'm physically hot right now. Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 1:43:45

We can tell.

SPEAKER_02 1:43:46

You can see it.

SPEAKER_05 1:43:47

Kevin's fucking pissed. You people. You people.

SPEAKER_02 1:43:51

I don't even have the fucking energy to say it.

SPEAKER_00 1:43:53

Can we can we do something real quick? Can we take like five seconds to just moment of silence for the kids? I think everybody, not not just the kids. I that was wrong of me to say. Everybody who has lost their lives to this terrible fucking thing that the world has to deal with now. Thank you. I just needed that. I just needed a really it's fucked up because they don't get to tell their story.

SPEAKER_05 1:44:31

No.

SPEAKER_00 1:44:32

That's fucked up.

SPEAKER_05 1:44:34

The media gets to fucking put out whatever they want for their fucking story and the actual fucking truth and people who are there on the ground gets uh swept to the side because it doesn't get paid. But you can find all of our RSS feed and all the directories that we're on on the Magdump Podcast.buzzsprout.com. We thank all of our Spotify and Apple podcast listeners for uh not canceling us. Because I looked at the analytics and Roe v. Wade was uh most watched episode so far, or listened, I should say. Um thank you for not canceling us for giving our opinions, especially when we don't want to touch on these topics due to the cancel culture that we live in. But um yeah. Uh we do uh you can follow John over on Twitch, you know, whenever he does decide to fucking show up and stream. That's uh twitch.tv forward slash R C T I C Rick Tick. It's not R Tick. Call him Rick Tick when you get in there. Uh you can go and we'll actually be live next week, possibly, for a main episode of a live recording. That'll be over at uh twitch.tv forward slash K-A-O-S 0514. Um any other socials, any other shout-outs that we need to do to Patreon. Thank you to our Patreon supporters. Jake and Anonymous. Thank you.

SPEAKER_00 1:46:03

Love you.

SPEAKER_05 1:46:04

Any other uh any other things we want to throw in there? Dr. Squatch, thank you. Mission 22. Thank you.

SPEAKER_03 1:46:12

Still looking at you, Pepsi Co.

SPEAKER_05 1:46:14

Pepsi Co. for Mountain Dew.

SPEAKER_03 1:46:17

I'm looking for my sponsorship, Pepsi. Zach wants it.

SPEAKER_05 1:46:21

Um bonus track will be out this week as this episode we're recording it a day before release. Um bonus track will be going out this week, so you get a nice little twofer this week. Uh, we're gonna do a lot more light-hearted for the bonus track and for the main episode of next week. We're done fucking talking about some fucking heavy shit for a couple episodes. Um, but other than that, the beautiful as ever, Kevin McLaughlin. Thank you for your time. Uh the lumberjack man, Zach McClain, and the forever fucking missing John Rowe. I'm surprised you showed up today, John Friends. Thank you, Teddy.

SPEAKER_00 1:47:02

I appreciate you. Really? Really felt the love that you hesitated to say something about me. I appreciate you.

SPEAKER_05 1:47:09

I had to put that in there. I'm supposed to bully you, remember? I fucking Mr. Porter called me on last week. I gotta fucking keep it alive. Other than that, with Magdun podcasts, we'll see you here sometime. So peace the fuck out. Shavy ass.